Comments on: Five short posts http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/ by Dave Walker Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:58:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Shirley http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-229606 Shirley Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:10:25 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-229606 ... and further to my comment #28 readers might be interested in <a href="http://www.freshexpressions.org.uk//section.asp?id=3223&cachefixer=" rel="nofollow">this link</a> about Fresh Expressions in cafes and the Costa chain which arrived in my Inbox today. … and further to my comment #28 readers might be interested in this link about Fresh Expressions in cafes and the Costa chain which arrived in my Inbox today.

]]> By: shirley http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-229088 shirley Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:30:15 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-229088 In answer to 30 & 31 in the past year we have held two very successful pub based evening meetings with a large number of church people from our home groups joining together. The first was last year during Holy Week. We hosted an evening of entertainment - definitely not of the cringy type - with good taste stand up comedy, quizzes, an interview about getting involved in the High St (see my earlier post #28) and live music. Some locals joined in - others were happy to listen. The publican welcomed us (and our money!) and we have an increasingly good relationship with him. This is an occasional rather than regular event but there is a midweek group who are exploring taking their group out of their home and into the pub. One of our congregations is based in a cafe where there is gently led bible study, prayer and discussion over breakfast and cappuccino. Again we have a very good relationship with the cafe owner. We do not fit into either the 'singing dreary hymns on hard pews' mould or the 'bashing them over the head with a bible enquiring if they are saved' mould, so discussions with other folk in the pub or cafe are usually interesting! Any more good ideas out there for alternative church locations? Could be a good strand for Dave's cartoons!! In answer to 30 & 31 in the past year we have held two very successful pub based evening meetings with a large number of church people from our home groups joining together. The first was last year during Holy Week. We hosted an evening of entertainment – definitely not of the cringy type – with good taste stand up comedy, quizzes, an interview about getting involved in the High St (see my earlier post #28) and live music. Some locals joined in – others were happy to listen. The publican welcomed us (and our money!) and we have an increasingly good relationship with him.

This is an occasional rather than regular event but there is a midweek group who are exploring taking their group out of their home and into the pub.

One of our congregations is based in a cafe where there is gently led bible study, prayer and discussion over breakfast and cappuccino. Again we have a very good relationship with the cafe owner.

We do not fit into either the ‘singing dreary hymns on hard pews’ mould or the ‘bashing them over the head with a bible enquiring if they are saved’ mould, so discussions with other folk in the pub or cafe are usually interesting!

Any more good ideas out there for alternative church locations? Could be a good strand for Dave’s cartoons!!

]]> By: Phelim McIntyre http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228930 Phelim McIntyre Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:24:50 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228930 Most pubs are open Sunday from Mid day or even earlier - but why not have a frsh expression in an open pub. I know of some churches who have done so including a Vineyard church. I think this comes under the idea of a thirst after righteousness. Most pubs are open Sunday from Mid day or even earlier – but why not have a frsh expression in an open pub. I know of some churches who have done so including a Vineyard church. I think this comes under the idea of a thirst after righteousness.

]]> By: webweaver.pttw http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228918 webweaver.pttw Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:39:46 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228918 Hum having read the above comments, #21 by Sam gives me the idea of having a fresh expression of church by having church in a pub. Not sure about your side of the pond, but over in the States, most pubs are not open on Sunday morning and therefore would be available for use. just a random idea generated late on a Saturday night when what I really need is a fresh expression of sleep Hum having read the above comments, #21 by Sam gives me the idea of having a fresh expression of church by having church in a pub. Not sure about your side of the pond, but over in the States, most pubs are not open on Sunday morning and therefore would be available for use.

just a random idea generated late on a Saturday night when what I really need is a fresh expression of sleep

]]> By: Simon Boswell http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228848 Simon Boswell Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:58:31 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228848 As a new dad the idea of Fresh Expressions brings to mind something completely different... As a new dad the idea of Fresh Expressions brings to mind something completely different…

]]> By: shirley http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228806 shirley Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:53:29 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228806 In answer to Mary (4) and to your question as well Dave, our Fresh Expression here in the Parish of Walthamstow is currently to the Sunday morning Farmer's Market on Walthamstow Town Square. Members of one of our churches, St Luke's (which is in the process of being made redundant) along with people from the other churches in our parish, chat and serve tea/coffee & cake to stallholders and shoppers on a Sunday (yes, shock horror!, a Sunday!) morning. There is also low-key cafe church close by on a Sunday morning but members mainly meet for worship in a home midweek. You can read more here http://parishofwalthamstow.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/st-lukes-at-the-farmers-market-update/ In answer to Mary (4) and to your question as well Dave, our Fresh Expression here in the Parish of Walthamstow is currently to the Sunday morning Farmer’s Market on Walthamstow Town Square. Members of one of our churches, St Luke’s (which is in the process of being made redundant) along with people from the other churches in our parish, chat and serve tea/coffee & cake to stallholders and shoppers on a Sunday (yes, shock horror!, a Sunday!) morning. There is also low-key cafe church close by on a Sunday morning but members mainly meet for worship in a home midweek.
You can read more here
http://parishofwalthamstow.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/st-lukes-at-the-farmers-market-update/

]]> By: Phelim McIntyre http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228793 Phelim McIntyre Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:51:58 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228793 Could Richard G, myself and others create a Fresh Expression for ex-SPCK employees? Or may be we just need an old Fresh Expression of SPCK Bookshops. Could Richard G, myself and others create a Fresh Expression for ex-SPCK employees? Or may be we just need an old Fresh Expression of SPCK Bookshops.

]]> By: Richard Greatrex http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228790 Richard Greatrex Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:18:41 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228790 'Fresh Expressions' is better than the ponderous 'new ways of being church', but does rather presume that the rest of us are 'stale expressions'. One I sometimes engage in is Clash Expressions where the works of Mr J Strummer and Co, aided by Mr W Bragg and occasionally Mr R Marley are an integral aspect of worship. The Clash also had an interesting take on Pauline theology (I fought the Law and the Law won) ‘Fresh Expressions’ is better than the ponderous ‘new ways of being church’, but does rather presume that the rest of us are ‘stale expressions’.

One I sometimes engage in is Clash Expressions where the works of Mr J Strummer and Co, aided by Mr W Bragg and occasionally Mr R Marley are an integral aspect of worship. The Clash also had an interesting take on Pauline theology (I fought the Law and the Law won)

]]> By: joe http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228787 joe Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:11:14 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228787 I've an idea - it is called church for dead people. Every member has a wax-work made of themselves, which when they unfortunately pass away is put in their pew. In time, the church would fill up with wax-works. We could then see if anyone noticed. It'd be less fresh-expression and more fixed-expression. I’ve an idea – it is called church for dead people. Every member has a wax-work made of themselves, which when they unfortunately pass away is put in their pew.

In time, the church would fill up with wax-works. We could then see if anyone noticed.

It’d be less fresh-expression and more fixed-expression.

]]> By: Mark Bennet http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/comment-page-1/#comment-228750 Mark Bennet Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:46:16 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2008/01/07/five-short-posts/#comment-228750 I have an idea (which might one day hit reality) of a fresh expression of church as museum - as a place to invite children and others to explore the history of our faith and of faithful people over the generations who have worshipped in the place - a living museum like bringing alive the history of "St Agatha's" as illustrated in 'Common Worship Today' ed Mark Earey and Gilly Myers. The subversive subplot of this - 'come for the history - find a living faith': the rationale - if Churches look and feel like museums to people, let's take that iconography, and take people through it and subvert it. I have an idea (which might one day hit reality) of a fresh expression of church as museum – as a place to invite children and others to explore the history of our faith and of faithful people over the generations who have worshipped in the place – a living museum like bringing alive the history of “St Agatha’s” as illustrated in ‘Common Worship Today’ ed Mark Earey and Gilly Myers.
The subversive subplot of this – ‘come for the history – find a living faith’: the rationale – if Churches look and feel like museums to people, let’s take that iconography, and take people through it and subvert it.

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