Comments on: Is the Nativity a legend? http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/ by Dave Walker Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:34:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Rhys http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228149 Rhys Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:31:14 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228149 At the risk of derailing the debate, what this non-Anglican would really like to know is: how many plus signs should appear before the Archbishop of Canterbury's first name? And what do they signify? I've seen +Rowan and ++Rowan in this thread, and I've seen +++Rowan elsewhere. So: plus Rowan, double plus Rowan (mmm, Orwellian...) or triple plus Rowan - which is it? Yours, Confused of Swansea At the risk of derailing the debate, what this non-Anglican would really like to know is: how many plus signs should appear before the Archbishop of Canterbury’s first name? And what do they signify? I’ve seen +Rowan and ++Rowan in this thread, and I’ve seen +++Rowan elsewhere.

So: plus Rowan, double plus Rowan (mmm, Orwellian…) or triple plus Rowan – which is it?

Yours,
Confused of Swansea

]]> By: Well? Did Rowan Williams say the nativity was a legend? at Bene Diction Blogs On http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228145 Well? Did Rowan Williams say the nativity was a legend? at Bene Diction Blogs On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:02:43 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228145 [...] By way of Dave Walker at The Cartoon Blog He’s got the full story with a nice cartoon to go with it. [...] [...] By way of Dave Walker at The Cartoon Blog He’s got the full story with a nice cartoon to go with it. [...]

]]> By: Matt W http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228121 Matt W Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:55:20 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228121 >ellen says: >Is it possible that he is using ‘yoof speak’ do you? i.e. legend = very good, worth the reputation. No. Not in a million years. >ellen says:
>Is it possible that he is using ‘yoof speak’ do you? i.e. legend = very good, worth the reputation.

No. Not in a million years.

]]> By: Deane http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228105 Deane Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:51:35 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228105 Both the Matthew nativity story and the Luke nativity story are best understood as <a href="http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/348" rel="nofollow">unhistorical birth legends, as explained here.</a> No other interpretation successfully explains each text. Asking where the Magi really came from is like asking where Little Bo Peep's sheep really went to. The origins of the story are not in any reality, but in the will to create a legendary birth story. Both the Matthew nativity story and the Luke nativity story are best understood as unhistorical birth legends, as explained here. No other interpretation successfully explains each text. Asking where the Magi really came from is like asking where Little Bo Peep’s sheep really went to. The origins of the story are not in any reality, but in the will to create a legendary birth story.

]]> By: webweaver.pttw who is currently listening ot Jazz music on BBC Radio Scotland while in sitting in Texas http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228099 webweaver.pttw who is currently listening ot Jazz music on BBC Radio Scotland while in sitting in Texas Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:07:48 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228099 I've head that there are those who think the Magi might have come from somewhere north of the English Channel, since they saw the star in the east could mean that the star was in the east which would put the Magi west of Jerusalem. Now if +++Rowan had suggested that the Magi were from somewhere near Canterbury or Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch or even Glasgow or Belfast - that might have been newsworthy! But him knowing that Scripture doesn't number the Magi, just their gift variety, shouldn't be news. I’ve head that there are those who think the Magi might have come from somewhere north of the English Channel, since they saw the star in the east could mean that the star was in the east which would put the Magi west of Jerusalem. Now if +++Rowan had suggested that the Magi were from somewhere near Canterbury or Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch or even Glasgow or Belfast – that might have been newsworthy! But him knowing that Scripture doesn’t number the Magi, just their gift variety, shouldn’t be news.

]]> By: Philip of Samaria http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228095 Philip of Samaria Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:16:21 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228095 what righteousness! so the real story then - are you sure you can all tell it coherently? what righteousness! so the real story then – are you sure you can all tell it coherently?

]]> By: ED http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228093 ED Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:35:52 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228093 You're surprised that the Telegraph could be so sloppy? You’re surprised that the Telegraph could be so sloppy?

]]> By: Dave Rattigan http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228086 Dave Rattigan Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:33:41 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228086 I can't believe a journalist can be so sloppy. It's not as if you have to dig deep to discover ++Rowan didn't say anything of the sort. Well, I can believe The Daily Mail (vomits) would do it, but I am surprised at The Telegraph. Stand Firm's reasoning was contrived and a little... pathetic. I can’t believe a journalist can be so sloppy. It’s not as if you have to dig deep to discover ++Rowan didn’t say anything of the sort. Well, I can believe The Daily Mail (vomits) would do it, but I am surprised at The Telegraph.

Stand Firm’s reasoning was contrived and a little… pathetic.

]]> By: MetaCatholic » A Christmas legend, or a licence to lie? http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228083 MetaCatholic » A Christmas legend, or a licence to lie? Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:06:48 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228083 [...] In a remarkable agreement across the theological spectrum, Dave Walker, Peter Kirk and John Richardson all rightly leap to Rowan Williams’ defence in the face of sloppy reporting of his Christmas interview. They are right to do so, because this kind of story seems to be self-propagating. Today in the Times, the slur continues with Gerard Baker: The retreat continues, despite the best efforts of the Anglicans to keep making concessions to disbelieving modernity, as the Archbishop of Canterbury did again this week with his observation that we were obliged to treat the Christmas Story really as just a legend. Like Alfred and the burnt cakes, I suppose. [...] [...] In a remarkable agreement across the theological spectrum, Dave Walker, Peter Kirk and John Richardson all rightly leap to Rowan Williams’ defence in the face of sloppy reporting of his Christmas interview. They are right to do so, because this kind of story seems to be self-propagating. Today in the Times, the slur continues with Gerard Baker: The retreat continues, despite the best efforts of the Anglicans to keep making concessions to disbelieving modernity, as the Archbishop of Canterbury did again this week with his observation that we were obliged to treat the Christmas Story really as just a legend. Like Alfred and the burnt cakes, I suppose. [...]

]]> By: joe http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-228081 joe Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:52:01 +0000 http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2007/12/20/is-the-nativity-a-legend/#comment-228081 As I've been struggling to deal with on <a href="http://www.alifereviewed.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> my blog</a> recently, there is a lot of disturbing stuff to deal with about Christmas - and yet people seem to want to hold onto all the additional nonsense rather than the demands it makes. In that, Rowan was absolutely right. I don't much care who/what/wherefrom the magi were. I accept they were strangers, can we move on now? Btw, I thought it was interesting that Rowan did a good job of engaging with Ricky Gervais, yet other people are more concerned about focusing on what he didn't say. As I’ve been struggling to deal with on my blog recently, there is a lot of disturbing stuff to deal with about Christmas – and yet people seem to want to hold onto all the additional nonsense rather than the demands it makes.

In that, Rowan was absolutely right. I don’t much care who/what/wherefrom the magi were. I accept they were strangers, can we move on now?

Btw, I thought it was interesting that Rowan did a good job of engaging with Ricky Gervais, yet other people are more concerned about focusing on what he didn’t say.

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