Comments on: The Southern Cone

By: Pax Vobiscum

Pax Vobiscum — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:58:01 +0000

Forward in Faith – I had always heard it called ‘Backward in bigotry’.

And Mr Somervell opened so promisingly with his talk of the ‘ripple effect’. I thought he was going to cleverly develop the ice cream imagery.

Of course, if Dave was to explain the ‘mostly very traditional Roman Catholicism’ of the Southern Cone he might have drawn a Cornetto.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:32:31 +0000

Someone asked about a “Northern Cone.” Would that be the Snow Cone?

By: Dave

Dave — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:00:31 +0000

Dear Tony,

Hello and welcome.

Just in response to one of your points: I don’t think I requested an English website for the province – I’m very happy to use internet translation tools.

By: tony somervell

tony somervell — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:48:25 +0000

This globalized conflict is getting more and more messy and the ripple effects of ECUSA’s + ’sister’ movements CofE / Canada apostasy (what else can we call the recent decades’ fundamental diversion from traditional ‘39 Articles’ Bible – believing anglicanism?)
“Southern Cone folks” mostly speak Spanish or (numerous) indigenous languages… and very few have time to create English websites and blogs(!)
Some of us are bilingual ‘Mission Partners’ serving within the national churches.
There is a general leaning within the Province (amidst mostly very traditional Roman Catholicism) towards evangelical anglicanism, (I don’t like labels personally) tho’ Peru and Uruguay lean more Anglo-Catholic.
At a provincial level the ‘Essentials’ Document was adopted as the doctrinal and pastoral basis for mission and ministry (Montreal Essentials Declaration – pdf
May I recommend a reading of this well-balanced document esp. sections 6, 8 and 14 and 15 The Authority of the Bible / The New Life in Christ /Standards of Sexual Conduct / The Family and the Call to Singleness.
Our Archbishop Greg Venables has endeavoured to stand up for these (we seem him as presiding bishop, guiding the province.
p.s. I believe most Southern Cone pastors (most prefer that title…) do actually use clergy shirts and collar.
p.p.s. thanks, Chris S. for link to anglicanos.net – trying to inform the Hispanic world which is often prejudiced vs anglicanism.
p.p.p.s Do we see here the breakdown of anglican institutionalism (anglo-saxon version) and the sore lack of healthy local churches, autonomous dioceses in all corners of the world, under godly bishops?

By: john flynne

john flynne — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:58:52 +0000

I note that the Sydney Diocese is significant by its absence. One can only wonder why?

By: Geoff McLarney

Geoff McLarney — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:58:59 +0000

The Southern Cone is indeed evangelical on the whole, but Catholics can’t be anathema there – the dean is SSC.

By: Graham Lang

Graham Lang — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:33:59 +0000

Re that “crisper, wafer-like south”:
Could that be a waffle cone?
It certainly seems flakey.

By: Matt W

Matt W — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:41:03 +0000

I’d note that Lesslie Newbigin (I think) viewed the “spectrum” as a Catholic-Evangelical orthodox centre with extreme Liberals (e.e., Sea of Faith) on one wing and extreme biblical literalists (”Reformed” tradition – perhaps equivalent to FIEC) on the other.

I think that is far more accurate than the traditional Catholic-Liberal-Evangelical spectrum.

By: Peter Kirk

Peter Kirk — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:45:08 +0000

truthsign, for “Reform”, how about “Retrench”? I am thinking not so much of the “economise” sense as the military architectural one: “To furnish with a retrenchment; as, to retrench bastions.”

By: truthsign

truthsign — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:15:02 +0000

In our household Forward in Faith is known as Backward in Fear. Must think of a soubriquet for Reform…