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July 17th, 2006

Bloodless, insipid and dessicated cartooning

It was interesting to read some of the comments about my cartoons on Metafilter, from where about 1600 visitors arrived on Friday. Some were along the lines of:

Good to see that the Anglican sense of humour is as bloodless, insipid and dessicated as their religion.

Fair enough. I found this one rather more thought provoking though:

For all the gentle self-mockery of these cartoons, there is something quite complacent about them. They seem designed to prove that ‘we’ (= liberal Anglicans) are better than ‘them’ (= conservative bigots) because ‘we’ are capable of laughing at ourselves. Interestingly, Dave Walker’s cartoons for the Church Times often have a sharper edge, and give the impression of being produced by someone who secretly despises the entire Church of England.

This one is quite a good example of his sharper, more satirical style of humour. This one too. I have to be honest and say I don’t find either of them particularly funny, or even particularly accurate, but at least they express a point of view, which many of the other cartoons don’t. As to why I don’t find them particularly funny .. well, I think the only way to be funny about the Church of England is to treat the whole thing as a surreal fantasy. These cartoons do their best to be surreal, but they don’t go nearly far enough. In fact they are considerably less surreal than the real thing.

I have learned, when viewing criticism to:

  1. Not worry too much about negative comments about my work
  2. Place little importance on negative comments from those who don’t know me
  3. Place even less importance on anonymous negative comments, which is effectively what these on Metafilter are

Having said that I find it interesting that the humour not being ‘edgy’ enough seems to be the recurring criticism. Interesting, as I personally find most humour described as ‘edgy’ a lot less funny than more subtle humour. And humour that is trying too hard to ‘say something’ is often the worst.

I know I need to carry on doing what I do without letting what people say affect me. But I would be interested to know from some of the regular commenters which of my cartoons they find the funniest. For instance, do you like the ones where I am trying to make some sort of point, or those where I am drawing something amusing because it is an amusing picture and for no other reason? Do you like my entirely inoffensive pictures or prefer those times when I have been a bit grumpy and done a drawing to ease my fury? I’m happy to hear which kinds you find less funny too – I really won’t be offended.

As I need to fill up some blog posts while I am away during August I may well post some of the cartoons you say you like along with a link to the blog of the person who made the suggestion. Feel free to suggest cartoons in the comments or via e-mail.

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33 Responses to “Bloodless, insipid and dessicated cartooning”


  1. Rob says:

    I find myself thinking that “bloodless, insipid and dessicated” would make a great blog title…

  2. Kyle says:

    I enjoy your subtle, understated “Englishness,” Dave. If I thought you really had such an “agenda” as your anonymous commenters seem to think, I might find your stuff less funny.

    So now out with it, what’s your agenda really? :0)

  3. Dave says:

    I have views, some of them strongly held, others loosely held. I don’t think I have ‘an agenda’ as such though.

    When it comes to Anglican goings-on I like to think that overall I have represented different ‘sides’ fairly. But I’ve no doubt that my biases show through.

  4. Ben says:

    Dave, I love pretty much all of your cartoons – you have a unique and quirky outlook on life and on anglicanism which isn’t trying to do anybody down, insult anybody (who doesn’t deserve it :-) ) or scor points of anybody. please, please keep it up!

  5. Nefertiki says:

    You are wise not to be concerned about negative criticism. As the old saying goes, “You can only tickle some of the people all of the time.” I did a great deal of research and discovered that even people who enjoy your work do so in different ways. Among many comments I found that you are a genius, your humour relieves stress, you make people smile at what is NOT funny, hehehe, your humour is refreshing, your drawings are true to life.

    I tend to remember cartoons which may not be terribly funny but reveal human foibles in a gentle. affectionate way, e.g., She Could Hardly Believe She had Won On Her First Visit to Church; This is My Pew This Will Always Be MY Pew, Crowded Church [so true of other venues as well]. Many of your cartoons may provide a quick smile or chuckle but also have an underlying meaning to think on afterwards. Naturally I have much more to say and will continue after lunch.

  6. Nicthevic says:

    I guess church insiders like me, will find different cartoons funny to church outsiders (into which large and confortable category I am lumping your Metafilter guests).
    Outsiders almost certainly don’t love the C of E like I do (there, I’ve said it!) and might expect that the only way to laugh at it is to ridicule it. What I like about your cartoons is the sense I get of affection for the church, not secret despisingness (despisement?).
    Though I have to say that I find your Church Times cartoons the funniest of the lot.

  7. Paulo says:

    You are wise to not be concerned about negative comments from Metafilter. Any mention there of faith brings out the worst of a bubbling cesspool of jaded hellbound antireligious God haters all clambering over each other to show how clever they are at insulting anyone who isn’t a hardcore naturalist Dawkins-loving atheist. I say this entirely in loving jest.

    I was happy to see your work get noticed by the MeFi crowd, and had been contemplating linking to you from there myself, but I had doubts about whether your hosting bandwidth was up to the task. I’m glad to see my doubts were unfounded.

  8. Paulo says:

    (My apologies to Nefertiki above, whose phrasing I seem to have inadvertently echoed almost verbatim.)

  9. David Huff says:

    Since you asked, I most enjoy the cartoons you draw during “those times when I have been a bit grumpy and done a drawing to ease my fury”.

    But mind you, they’re ALL a good deal of fun :)

  10. Davo says:

    I just like the slightly bizzare, silly and understated sideways look at things that your cartoons generally contain. If it gets too edgy, it loses it’s innocent playfulness which should be a fixed feature of Christian fellowship.

    But then, maybe that’s just my sense of humour (when at university, my ‘friends’ made me a couple of small signs – one saying ‘joking’ and the other ‘not joking’ and asked me to hold them up as appropriate, as they couldn’t always be sure which it was)

  11. MadPriest says:

    Your adoring fans don’t seem to realise that we are all prawns in your twisted metanarrative. You are going to soften the world up with gentle Anglican humour for a few years and then – wallop! – you will trick the Church Times into printing the most disgusting and offensive cartoon ever drawn. It will probably contain references to the Virgin Mary, the Prophet, the Buddha, Moses, an infinite number of Hindu deities and Cliff Richard. The Metafilter brigade will then denounce me as a woolly minded, fence-sitter.

    Thanks Dave – Mate!

  12. Serentious says:

    I’m definitely a C of E outsider and find your cartoons funny, educational and subtle. I love the detail of ones like the church kitchen and the simplicity of ones like itch. “The breakup of the Anglican Communion” is definitely one of my favourites along with the one you did on youth workers and what they say and what they mean :-)

  13. Grandmère Mimi says:

    I am not a regular reader or commenter. I was referred here by the MadPriest.

    I’ll let you judge whether I think your cartoons are funny. As I started to look at the two you linked to in your post, and before I had even finished the first, I had to make a trip to the W.C. or whatever you eccentric English call that place. I’m an old lady, you see, and you should place a reminder for les femmes d’un certain âge to visit that place before looking at your cartoons. The MadPriest should do that on his blog too.

    Despite my name and the use of the French language, I’m from the US. However, I’m from south Louisiana, so I’m almost not American. I would hazard a guess that my president does not think I’m a real American.

  14. dagurreotype says:

    cartoon suggestions

    anything related to acolytes, altar guild, or the 2006 TEC General Convention would be interesting

    or how about something about how some parishes don’t update the service time info on their website in the summer

    or maybe one on those who just don’t get Brit-style humor

  15. Louise says:

    Another vote in favour of the church kitchen here – and a peturbed note that you really didn’t ought to take notice of the negative comments as there are plenty of people who obviously find your cartoons funny.

    I’ve just used about 10 of your cartoons in a new induction manual for staff starting work with us (not a Church, but a Christian group – and you’ll have had the cheque by now, I hope!).

    I initially put them in to break up the monotony of the words and so on, but am finding that their inclusion is providing me with an interesting insight into the sense of humour of our new starters. The OHP one is a favourite, as is the one about the youth worker being somewhat surprised at the range of tasks involved in his role. Everyone I’ve shown them to has at least smiled, and not many of our people are ‘Churchy’ folk.

  16. Sam says:

    I agree with Kyle on liking subtelty and “Englishness”. The things that appeal most though are:

    - the self-deprecation (“at this point I stopped and looked out of the window” is the first example which springs to mind, but there are others which illustrate the point better)

    - the slight surreality, though I disagree with the Metafilter person who said they aren’t surreal enough — the surreality being only slight means “it’s funny ’cause it’s true”.

    - sometimes you make interesting & clever points about something by taking it from a strange perspective. Even when it doesn’t make any important points, it’s still always very funny (and, as people have said, you shouldn’t be hammering home an agenda all the time anyway)

    My favourite cartoon is the one on the Windsor report. I didn’t find “Songs on the internet” that funny (not sure why not), but I liked “surf to” above the hymn numbers in that one.

    (By the way, I often find your writing sums things up very nicely and is pretty insightful too.)

  17. Kathryn says:

    Well, the Windsor Report cartoon was so sadly funny that i forwarded it to everyone I know…but I’m definitely an insider,- the human foibles variety gets me every time. Tis just the way life IS…and it helps so much to be able to laugh about it.
    Consider yourself appreciated (and yes, I do realise you weren’t fishing for compliments…or herrings) :-)

  18. Judah says:

    Dave, you have a wonderfully creative gift for pointing out, with an engaging gentle humour, all kinds of things about ourselves. I see an endearing childlike simplicity in many of them, and know that they can be expressed that way only because you are quite cognisant of the complexity of the issues.
    Just keep doing what you are doing regardless. There will always be critics with acidic opinions – and quite unlikely to be able to produce the quality of work that you can and do.

  19. ash says:

    I personally liked the two that the person commented on. The Windsor Report one was probably the first time I visited your site, and I thought it very good. The Windsor Report needed to have someone summarise it graphically, and you do it justice (and yes, i’ve read the thing).

    I also liked your guide to Greenbelt, and the recent Toothbrush one, because I’m a bit grumpy about things like toothbrushes.

    and I liked the Church Marketting one, with the big board outside about why they don’t need help marketing. I liked this because it says both how crud we are at marketing, but also criticises us for wanting to market, which is all a bit too consumeristic really. (or that’s the interpretation I bring to it).

    I say bravo, and carry on cam… I mean cartooning.

  20. Michelle says:

    Ditto to all the above! (Well the things I’d want to say have already been said ;) ) Keep up the great work!

  21. Daniel says:

    Apparently your cartoons lack blood, taste and water. I challenge any of these critics to supply better church related cartoons.My personal favourite is ‘Tramoplining Jenga’ although much of the Advent Calendar was splendid too.

    Why are these cartoons funny, I have two possibilities;

    i) some things sound fine when you say them but when you see a picture the lunacy is revealed, these cartoons are therefore are a gentle gibe at those who go through life with their eyes closed, or lost in their thoughts, or lost in Plymouth (easy to do).

    ii) some things go on for a long time and it’s funny that they still go on, it’s even funnier that they go on long enough for someone to have drawn a cartoon about it.

  22. ee says:

    I’m reminded of the schoolteacher who keeps control effectively because they rarely raise their voice. When they do have a shout, you take note and are troubled.

    If your house style was always edgy, then we’d never listen. Instead, you have a lovely gentle style. So when you do something like the break up cartoon, it makes you sit up and take note.

    Ultimately, a Christian cartoonist has to be able to portray Christian values – in other words, you have to come across as loving, or you will lose the respect of your audience. I feel you manage to hit the nail on the head practically every time, whilst having a broad enough range to be interesting and funny. That’s a tremendous skill.

  23. Karin says:

    Like they say, no need to worry and you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

    Hubby likes some of your cartoons (has even been known to laugh) and he’s not easily pleased, plus he’s neither CoE or a Christian, although he did have contact with the CoE as a kid. When I gave your postcards to local clergy they all knew your cartoons and obviously enjoyed them. I think one of them knows your current vicar.

    Oh and I’m just becoming CoE but I still enjoy many of your cartoons. :0)

  24. Helen says:

    “Good to see that the Anglican sense of humour is as bloodless, insipid and dessicated as their religion.”

    I love that. With insults like these, who needs compliments?
    Even so, I feel the need to give you some :) I like the gentle humour of your cartoons… I do like the ones where you’re obviously making a point about the church (the “How to make Church Brilliant” cartoon was both funny in itself – who wouldn’t want a nice bed to compensate for early service timing? – but also in the point it was making)… but I also like your blog cartoons. I had a good giggle at “looking out the window” because it’s a bit like me when I have blogmania… And “what the flags mean” kept me amused for days (every time I saw a car with flags!). I like the witty observations, and the slightly surreal nature of the cartoons. I think you’re right to take very little notice of criticisms, your cartoons are brilliant :)

  25. Penny says:

    I think, of your recent cartoons, the Vodaphone one summed up what I liked about your style. It was a combination of the anger lots of people would be feeling, and then the “thank you” at the end changed the whole tenor of the writing.

  26. St says:

    Someone described my blog as whimsical, which I hated for a bit (it’s far more important than that, surely) until I realised it does have a lot of whimsy on it.

    I like your cartons and the ones that make me laugh – well there’s a sort of delicious randomness about that. I think I like the ones that are more about an idea than a drawing – places I have left my scarf, collection plate routes and the like.

    Cartoonists, forgive me for telling you what you already know, remind us that the things we take dreadfully seriously can look a bit daft from another angle.

  27. Emma says:

    “And “what the flags mean” kept me amused for days (every time I saw a car with flags!)”

    I’m still laughing… oh the tragic life I lead…!

  28. Nefertiki says:

    All these fine comments have already said what I was going to add to my comment above. I will just add that I thank heaven that your humor is bloodless — the sight of gory-slasher-maniacal serial killer humor is dismaying to a gently brought up American lady. (Except of course for several favorite shoot-em-up TV programs but they are in the best of taste.)

  29. jody says:

    Hi Dave

    I don’t normally post, but I do visit your site all the time and came to it because I desperately needed a laugh at (and with) the whole CofE/Anglicans in general. I cried at ‘church kitchen’, I have been in a church kitchen EXACTLY like that! I then proceeded to go through all the cartoons and laughed heartily at most of them. Be encouraged you’re serving a multitude of disillusioned yet hopeful children.

    Oh and ‘God is Unorthodox’ is brilliant.

    love Jody

  30. si says:

    aye up dave,

    reviews almost always tell you more about the reviewer than the thing that they’re reviewing – i think that you’re right to take little notice of the negative stuff…

    si

  31. Andy says:

    Was going to post this comment on Sunday – but there seemed to be problems getting the site to load up once I hit “Submit” – but never mind better late then never!

    ————————-
    Maybe you could use some of the comments to inspire future cartoons?

    The interesting thing about the comments is that they seem more a dig at the church then your work.

    The church needs people like yourself who can observe what a mad type of people we really are.

  32. ferijen says:

    I think your cartoons are a pretty good ‘in joke’: the best sort of Anglicans need not to take theirselves seriously, but unfortunately the majority of them seem far more concerned about whether the hymn numbers have been put up in the right order rather than the homeless guy sitting by the church door.

    Sending up this institution, even if it prompts just one “society” Anglican to think slightly differently, is worth it.

    And they’re funny. Not, for me, laugh-out-loud funny (most of the time) but definitely smile and keep me thinking about it funny. Not seen the windsor report one before but loved it ;)

  33. Jim says:

    You’re kinder to your church than I am to mine! (If you’re curious, check out the “Piety” section in the preview of my site.)

    The “insipidity” of the C of E is only appreciated by comparison to the raging evangelicals of the US. Their humor is largely unintentional.