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	<title>Comments on: When is CartoonChurch.com going to &#8216;get it&#8217;?</title>
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	<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/</link>
	<description>by Dave Walker</description>
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		<title>By: Youthblog</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>Youthblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have only recently become aware of this issue so I appreciate your thoughts Dave. We are getting additional bandwidth bills every month because of blogs that have used pictures from youthblog but draw the data from us every time they are viewed. I like the symbiosis of blogdom but this is clearly much more of a parasite type arrangement (probably in a lot of instances without people realising though). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have only recently become aware of this issue so I appreciate your thoughts Dave. We are getting additional bandwidth bills every month because of blogs that have used pictures from youthblog but draw the data from us every time they are viewed. I like the symbiosis of blogdom but this is clearly much more of a parasite type arrangement (probably in a lot of instances without people realising though).</p>
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		<title>By: timsamoff</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>timsamoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit that when I read that I didn&#039;t really know what Andrew was talking about either. And, I agree that you have full right not to let others &quot;borrow&quot; your work.

But, bandwidth issues aside, you should probably add a &quot;Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs License&quot; to everything on your site, then you&#039;d be safe, at least -- that way, legally, people shouldn&#039;t be allowed to alter your work and they must give credit where it&#039;s due. (And this would go along with your already stated copyright at the bottom of the site.)

Anyway, in Andrew&#039;s defense, he&#039;s a pretty cool guy, so hopefully you two will connect.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that when I read that I didn&#8217;t really know what Andrew was talking about either. And, I agree that you have full right not to let others &#8220;borrow&#8221; your work.</p>
<p>But, bandwidth issues aside, you should probably add a &#8220;Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs License&#8221; to everything on your site, then you&#8217;d be safe, at least &#8212; that way, legally, people shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to alter your work and they must give credit where it&#8217;s due. (And this would go along with your already stated copyright at the bottom of the site.)</p>
<p>Anyway, in Andrew&#8217;s defense, he&#8217;s a pretty cool guy, so hopefully you two will connect.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Careaga</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Careaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I decided to &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggedyblog.blogspot.com/2005/08/hotlinking-hot-water-off-cuff-comment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;riff&lt;/a&gt; a bit on this subject over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggedyblog.blogspot.com/2005/08/hotlinking-hot-water-off-cuff-comment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bloggedy blog&lt;/a&gt;. This is an interesting topic -- regardless on which side of the gray line you fall.

Grace and peace,
AC
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I decided to <a href="http://bloggedyblog.blogspot.com/2005/08/hotlinking-hot-water-off-cuff-comment.html" rel="nofollow">riff</a> a bit on this subject over at <a href="http://bloggedyblog.blogspot.com/2005/08/hotlinking-hot-water-off-cuff-comment.html" rel="nofollow">bloggedy blog</a>. This is an interesting topic &#8212; regardless on which side of the gray line you fall.</p>
<p>Grace and peace,<br />
AC</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Careaga</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Careaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Dave:

Sorry I didn&#039;t respond to your email. I think my mailblocks.com spambot must&#039;ve eaten it, for I don&#039;t recall seeing it in my inbox. I apologize for that.

I&#039;ve never thought about image hotlinking as bandwidth theft. My naivete is showing. I guess I hadn&#039;t thought of it as much different than hotlinking to your site. The &quot;bandwidth theft&quot; argument doesn&#039;t hold much water in my opinion, since servers all around the Internet are &quot;stealing&quot; bandwidth from one another day in and day out. But, we&#039;re in the midst of many shifts in thinking about copyright these days, and copyright reform is much needed. I don&#039;t mean to imply that you should simply give away your work. As Tim noted above, &quot;You have a perfect right to offer your work under any conditions you like,&quot; and I agree. Many people, however, see the role of intellectual property as changing. Thanks to the democratizing structure of the Internet, you have potential access to a larger audience than ever before, and hotlinking to your site, if done properly (with appropriate credit and ALT tags), could result in even more sales for your product --  and certainly more buzz, more awareness.

If you&#039;re in need of some reading material on this topic, I highly recommend Lawrence Lessig&#039;s book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://free-culture.org/freecontent/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free Culture&lt;/a&gt;. In fact, why not click and download the book right now? After all, it&#039;s free.

AC

P.S. - In an effort to close the loop, I&#039;ll also post this at Brownpau&#039;s site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Dave:</p>
<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t respond to your email. I think my mailblocks.com spambot must&#8217;ve eaten it, for I don&#8217;t recall seeing it in my inbox. I apologize for that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never thought about image hotlinking as bandwidth theft. My naivete is showing. I guess I hadn&#8217;t thought of it as much different than hotlinking to your site. The &#8220;bandwidth theft&#8221; argument doesn&#8217;t hold much water in my opinion, since servers all around the Internet are &#8220;stealing&#8221; bandwidth from one another day in and day out. But, we&#8217;re in the midst of many shifts in thinking about copyright these days, and copyright reform is much needed. I don&#8217;t mean to imply that you should simply give away your work. As Tim noted above, &#8220;You have a perfect right to offer your work under any conditions you like,&#8221; and I agree. Many people, however, see the role of intellectual property as changing. Thanks to the democratizing structure of the Internet, you have potential access to a larger audience than ever before, and hotlinking to your site, if done properly (with appropriate credit and ALT tags), could result in even more sales for your product &#8212;  and certainly more buzz, more awareness.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in need of some reading material on this topic, I highly recommend Lawrence Lessig&#8217;s book, <a href="http://free-culture.org/freecontent/" rel="nofollow">Free Culture</a>. In fact, why not click and download the book right now? After all, it&#8217;s free.</p>
<p>AC</p>
<p>P.S. &#8211; In an effort to close the loop, I&#8217;ll also post this at Brownpau&#8217;s site.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree as well. Bandwidth is one of the few resources on the web that actually costs real money, and it can cost a lot of real money. Hotlinking from a site such as this, where the author relies on sales of his material for income, should only ever be done with permission and within the parameters set by the author.

I allow anyone to hotlink images from my site, however I&#039;m in a very different position to Dave. If and when I find myself paying an unreasonable amount for other peoples use of my images, or I come to the point of needing to charge for my content, I&#039;ll have no problem in stopping hotlinking.

Anyone that argues for complete, absolute freedom from copyright on the web argues for the abolition of common courtesy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree as well. Bandwidth is one of the few resources on the web that actually costs real money, and it can cost a lot of real money. Hotlinking from a site such as this, where the author relies on sales of his material for income, should only ever be done with permission and within the parameters set by the author.</p>
<p>I allow anyone to hotlink images from my site, however I&#8217;m in a very different position to Dave. If and when I find myself paying an unreasonable amount for other peoples use of my images, or I come to the point of needing to charge for my content, I&#8217;ll have no problem in stopping hotlinking.</p>
<p>Anyone that argues for complete, absolute freedom from copyright on the web argues for the abolition of common courtesy.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulo</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what Andrew meant either, really, since it seems I can link to your site just fine, and I don&#039;t need to hotlink an image from elsewhere to share your God Given GIF Genius. But I agree: image hotlinking is an uncouth, uninformed practice which drains site resources and disrespects the creator of the work, so .htaccess countermeasures are a perfectly reasonable response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what Andrew meant either, really, since it seems I can link to your site just fine, and I don&#8217;t need to hotlink an image from elsewhere to share your God Given GIF Genius. But I agree: image hotlinking is an uncouth, uninformed practice which drains site resources and disrespects the creator of the work, so .htaccess countermeasures are a perfectly reasonable response.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/08/17/when-is-cartoonchurchcom-going-to-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a perfect right to offer your work under any conditions you like. 
Stealing bandwidth is theft.
But, the Internet still has an ethos of &quot;free&quot;... personally I&#039;m delighted to have had the odd freebee from you (I believe fitting your use criteria), if I  was wanting more I&#039;d look at the pricing and comparison shop, or decide if I really need cartoons, just as I do offline.

Final comment: we really need micropayments, so the sooner Yahoo or Google set up a collection facility allied to a premium search facility the better for content providers and users alike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a perfect right to offer your work under any conditions you like.<br />
Stealing bandwidth is theft.<br />
But, the Internet still has an ethos of &#8220;free&#8221;&#8230; personally I&#8217;m delighted to have had the odd freebee from you (I believe fitting your use criteria), if I  was wanting more I&#8217;d look at the pricing and comparison shop, or decide if I really need cartoons, just as I do offline.</p>
<p>Final comment: we really need micropayments, so the sooner Yahoo or Google set up a collection facility allied to a premium search facility the better for content providers and users alike!</p>
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