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	<title>Comments on: Adrian, seriously, what is going on?</title>
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	<description>by Dave Walker</description>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand how someone linking to your blog/site is bad manners.  Perhaps, if he&#039;d said, &quot;These are axe murderers,&quot; it might have been bad manners.  No one can stop anyone else from linking to a website.  Links aren&#039;t the same as stealing content.  It seems to me that Adrian has done the right thing by removing the links as you requested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand how someone linking to your blog/site is bad manners.  Perhaps, if he&#8217;d said, &#8220;These are axe murderers,&#8221; it might have been bad manners.  No one can stop anyone else from linking to a website.  Links aren&#8217;t the same as stealing content.  It seems to me that Adrian has done the right thing by removing the links as you requested.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just a bit lazy chalky and would rather not co-ordinate a list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just a bit lazy chalky and would rather not co-ordinate a list!</p>
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		<title>By: chalky</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>chalky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want mine on there. Certainly not. I&#039;m almost irritated...

Would it be best for someone to send him a list then? The other option of course would be to request that they&#039;re all taken off and for people to opt in should they so wish - which is arguably what ought to have happened in the first place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want mine on there. Certainly not. I&#8217;m almost irritated&#8230;</p>
<p>Would it be best for someone to send him a list then? The other option of course would be to request that they&#8217;re all taken off and for people to opt in should they so wish &#8211; which is arguably what ought to have happened in the first place!</p>
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		<title>By: joeturner</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>joeturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I mind.

I don&#039;t care who or what you are trying to do, Adrian, you clearly are not interested in the bloggers themselves.

Point being that good manners suggest you should ask people before using their stuff rather than expecting them to tell you to remove it later.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I mind.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care who or what you are trying to do, Adrian, you clearly are not interested in the bloggers themselves.</p>
<p>Point being that good manners suggest you should ask people before using their stuff rather than expecting them to tell you to remove it later.</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your explanation here.
The XML is not on the front page of BDBO and people can go in technical circles until the cows come home. It&#039;s not (in my case) a reason or an excuse for taking URL&#039;s. This is the first time it&#039;s happened to BDBO.
Fortunately I was removed from the Blogdom today. Four emails and a year. But I guess we all have to take personal responsibility because the Blogdom isn&#039;t.

Blogs remain about people. 

I like what Richard said about trickle down economics. If that is where Dr. Warnock wants to go, fine. I wish him well.

Some of us don&#039;t need/want to be trickled on and to assume otherwise is hubris.
When the beta Alliance/Blogdom is cleaned up, there will be at least a few hundred less links and maybe people&#039;s requests will be addressed.

I&#039;m genuinely sorry about your community being trampled on. I really am.
Blog on!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your explanation here.<br />
The XML is not on the front page of BDBO and people can go in technical circles until the cows come home. It&#8217;s not (in my case) a reason or an excuse for taking URL&#8217;s. This is the first time it&#8217;s happened to BDBO.<br />
Fortunately I was removed from the Blogdom today. Four emails and a year. But I guess we all have to take personal responsibility because the Blogdom isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Blogs remain about people. </p>
<p>I like what Richard said about trickle down economics. If that is where Dr. Warnock wants to go, fine. I wish him well.</p>
<p>Some of us don&#8217;t need/want to be trickled on and to assume otherwise is hubris.<br />
When the beta Alliance/Blogdom is cleaned up, there will be at least a few hundred less links and maybe people&#8217;s requests will be addressed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m genuinely sorry about your community being trampled on. I really am.<br />
Blog on!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addition - I still think my points about (1) the &#039;gaining influence&#039; being a worthy objective (2) The fact it&#039;s a one man show (3) The link harvesting still stand, but feel free to return from wherever before addressing those. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition &#8211; I still think my points about (1) the &#8216;gaining influence&#8217; being a worthy objective (2) The fact it&#8217;s a one man show (3) The link harvesting still stand, but feel free to return from wherever before addressing those.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adrian, thanks for taking the time to get to a PC and drop by.

Clarification re the Wibsite. It is a site with a Christian ethos, but a reasonable number of our writers would not describe themselves as Christians and we don&#039;t turn down requests for a Wiblog on the basis of anyones beliefs. If they look a bit shifty, that&#039;s a different matter.

For the time being just removing the numerous links to Wibsite folders of images (They start &#039;Index of Wiblog&#039; as in the picturte above) would be a start. But in the longer term even if you don&#039;t agree with me over the permission aspect you need to go through and remove duplicates, non blogs, individual posts etc etc.

I might have to ask Wibloggers to contact you individually if they don&#039;t want to be on the list.

I&#039;m still not entirely convinced by your comment on the comment thread below.
&quot;Ultimately if your RSS feed is published on your website you are asking for it to be included in all kinds of services both christian and not so I am surprised by this level of concern.&quot;

I&#039;ll address that on a new post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adrian, thanks for taking the time to get to a PC and drop by.</p>
<p>Clarification re the Wibsite. It is a site with a Christian ethos, but a reasonable number of our writers would not describe themselves as Christians and we don&#8217;t turn down requests for a Wiblog on the basis of anyones beliefs. If they look a bit shifty, that&#8217;s a different matter.</p>
<p>For the time being just removing the numerous links to Wibsite folders of images (They start &#8216;Index of Wiblog&#8217; as in the picturte above) would be a start. But in the longer term even if you don&#8217;t agree with me over the permission aspect you need to go through and remove duplicates, non blogs, individual posts etc etc.</p>
<p>I might have to ask Wibloggers to contact you individually if they don&#8217;t want to be on the list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not entirely convinced by your comment on the comment thread below.<br />
&#8220;Ultimately if your RSS feed is published on your website you are asking for it to be included in all kinds of services both christian and not so I am surprised by this level of concern.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll address that on a new post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack the Lass</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack the Lass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian, speaking as someone who has a blog on the wibsite (and so not in any wibsite official capacity whatsoever), I&#039;d say that although the majority of blogs on the wibsite are by Christians, many of them aren&#039;t and it was never intended (as far as I can tell) to be a site specifically for Christian blogs.

As far as your own venture is concerned, whilst the non-techy part of me doesn&#039;t really understand what&#039;s going on, I am somewhat concerned that blogs are being linked to a directory (if I understand your site correctly) without the permission of the blogger.  I have chosen which directories I wish to display my blog details, and to have my blog appear in another directory without my permission or personal consideration of the relative benefits or not of that link is somewhat disconcerting (or at least it would have been if my blog had been included!).  And that seems to me to not be a wibsite-specific complaint at all, but basic good manners.  Maybe I&#039;m just being old-fashioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, speaking as someone who has a blog on the wibsite (and so not in any wibsite official capacity whatsoever), I&#8217;d say that although the majority of blogs on the wibsite are by Christians, many of them aren&#8217;t and it was never intended (as far as I can tell) to be a site specifically for Christian blogs.</p>
<p>As far as your own venture is concerned, whilst the non-techy part of me doesn&#8217;t really understand what&#8217;s going on, I am somewhat concerned that blogs are being linked to a directory (if I understand your site correctly) without the permission of the blogger.  I have chosen which directories I wish to display my blog details, and to have my blog appear in another directory without my permission or personal consideration of the relative benefits or not of that link is somewhat disconcerting (or at least it would have been if my blog had been included!).  And that seems to me to not be a wibsite-specific complaint at all, but basic good manners.  Maybe I&#8217;m just being old-fashioned.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAnaged to get to a PC to find out what the concern was over.  Specifically re the wibsite I must have misunderstood the site as I thought it was a list of christian blogs.  Will remove any blogs that are incorrectly in the blog (indeed did ask for volunteers to screen them for mistaken addittions.)

If anyone can send me a list of blogs I should remove I will do so (if you ask me to remove someone elses blog I reserve the right to not do so without discussing it with them and/or a group of christian bloggers of my choosing)

Have just been trying to servet the Christian blogosphere here and am sorry for any offense.  Did not see these comments till today. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAnaged to get to a PC to find out what the concern was over.  Specifically re the wibsite I must have misunderstood the site as I thought it was a list of christian blogs.  Will remove any blogs that are incorrectly in the blog (indeed did ask for volunteers to screen them for mistaken addittions.)</p>
<p>If anyone can send me a list of blogs I should remove I will do so (if you ask me to remove someone elses blog I reserve the right to not do so without discussing it with them and/or a group of christian bloggers of my choosing)</p>
<p>Have just been trying to servet the Christian blogosphere here and am sorry for any offense.  Did not see these comments till today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack the Lass</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2005/06/16/adrian-seriously-what-is-going-on/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack the Lass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee.  I went to the wibsite section and it appears my blog has been rejected.  That has just about made my day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee.  I went to the wibsite section and it appears my blog has been rejected.  That has just about made my day!</p>
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