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June 15th, 2005

Christian blogs

Christian Blogs. Todays subject for my pontification.

I read a lot of blogs by Christians and I know a lot of Christians who blog. As you may or not know some friends and I run the Wibsite, essentially a community of over a hundred bloggers, most from the UK and most would describe themselves as Christian, but not all. We’ll be celebrating our third anniversary of Wiblog blogging this summer, though we’ve been blogging on the Wibsite for a bit longer than that via our ‘this just in’ column. The Wibsite has also made an attempt to encourage Christian bloggers to intermingle via our Greenbelt Bloggers gathering which I hope we can repeat this year.

Often I /we have thought to ourselves “wouldn’t it be great to have a website to bring all the great and marvellous Christian bloggers together”. Well, yes, it would. And so, ages and ages ago we made an ‘aggregator’ site, which brings lots of ‘latest posts’ by bloggers together, not just our Wibloggers but other Christian bloggers as well. For one reason or another this has never been launched publicly, not least because there is a considerable grey area in terms of whether it is right to post other people’s blog headlines / excerpts without their permission.

A small kerfuffle along these lines is breaking out in the Christian blog community as we speak. A list called the Blogdom of God is about to relaunch or somesuch. A blogger called Bene Diction who I’ve read for a few years now isn’t too happy about it, and to be honest I agree. Here’s why:

1. The Blogdom of God is all about getting improved rankings at a list site called ‘The Truth Laid Bear’. The Truth Laid Bear’ is a list which ranks blogs in terms of how many other blogs link to them. It is dominated by male right wing American political bloggers (or those who fall into 3 out of those 4 categories) who all link to each other, and as such is a complete irrelevance to most bloggers I know, especially Christian blogs here in the UK.
1a. It’s about power. Getting higher up the list. Gaining more influence. Unfortunately, it’s when the the church / Christians try to get power and influence that things tend to go horribly wrong. I’m sure we can all think of many examples over the course of history and indeed today. [Aside: this is a totally different thing altogether.]
2. Putting other people’s content on a list without their permission is morally dubious. Adding someone to a list is ok I think as long as that is all it is, a list of links.
3. While I’m on a roll, I really really dislike the term ‘God blog’. It makes us sound wierd, which a lot of Christian bloggers are, but that’s not the point.
4. The whole thing is run by one person, a chap named Adrian who I’m sure is a very nice fellow. But at the end of the day I don’t think that a one man show is the way to go on a ‘Christian bloggers together’ project.

A list or website to link up Christian blogs out there, especially (from my point of view) the ones from the UK is a good idea. But I just don’t think this is the way to do it. It should be collaborative, opt in and unrelated to climbing lists or gaining rankings.



This is a single Cartoon Blog entry, posted by Dave on Wednesday, June 15th, 2005 at 11:12 am.

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16 Responses to “Christian blogs”


  1. Bene Diction says:

    Hey Dave:

    I may have been the one to have termed god-blog some time ago, but I’m not sure.:^)

    You are more succient in your points and make some excellent ones.

    I hope when this new improved project is launched if people have been added that chose not to be, they will politely and quietly email for removal.

    You are also more direct in some of your observations - which I appreciate.
    Thanks.

  2. Dave says:

    Thanks Bene,

    Oh dear, me and my big mouth. I hadn’t realised you were the originator of the term. Once I get onboard my high hobby horse I just have to keep on going.

    Perhaps we need a new term. I call them ‘Christian blogs’ but I am often called quaint and old fashioned.

  3. Wood says:

    NutBlogs?

    Mentalist Blogs?

    Don’t mind me.

    Bet I don’t get on it.

    Incidentally, Dave, Richard managed to get my RSS feed working on UnRight Christians - he used Feedburner, he reckons.

  4. Funky Dung says:

    Some of us BoG members are moderate male Americans. ;) We’re not all polical bloggers, either. :)

  5. Richard Hall says:

    You’re right that the express purpose is to get bloggers listed higher up the “ecosphere”. Somehow, that seems like a fairly empty reason, but that’s just me.

  6. Funky Dung says:

    I recently convinced Adrian to put BoG on Blogdigger. As a result, there is now a RSS feed for the entire aggregator. This is a very good thing in my eyes. Syndication is good for exposure. Now people can read the BoG feed and encounter blogs they otherwise never would have heard of.

  7. Dave says:

    Wood - don’t worry, one day we’ll get you a special aggregator all to yourself.

    I’m still thinking public aggregators are a grey area. There’s more and more software coming in enabling people to syndicate your content on their sites - they may be doing it for good reasons or just to get google rankings for themselves or other dubious reasons. That’s why I’m wondering whether the time has come to get permission before any content from someone else’s site goes onto an aggregator.

  8. Johann says:

    I entirely agree with you Dave. The whole thing sounds very dubious and unChristian.

  9. Tim says:

    Personally I find such aggregator blogs useless, they gather loads of “Christian blogs” content, yuk, 19/20 are of no interest to me, turn me off, make me sad I’m associated with them… Surely the whole point of blogs is that you select the people that you want to read… and not have someone else shove the lot in your face!

  10. Funky Dung says:

    Last I checked, you hadn’t tracked back to Adrian’s post. How is he to know people’s concerns if he isn’t aware of them?

  11. Funky Dung says:

    make “know” “address”

  12. Dave says:

    You’re right Funky Doug - though I have tried to trackback to his haloscan trackbacks and his site itself but I couldn’t make them work. I suspect the fault is this end - I’ve not had a lot of success making Wordpress trackback - probably me. I’ll go and add a comment in the old fashioned way.

  13. Ali says:

    I’m wondering who is on the new and improved Blogdom list. I’d rather not be there. It feels off to me, I dislike blog promotion, and this feels like marketing, commercial and glossy.

    I have a small list of UK Christian blogs, just a list of links here:
    http://www.quantumtea.com/ukgodblogs/
    The main way it grows is people email me and ask to be on there.

  14. Bene Diction says:

    Dave:

    I don’t know if I was the originator or not.
    I’ve always used a small g for god.

    I just found myself on the Blogdom of God.
    I’d asked to be removed I was told it was done when the project first started.

    To be honest, I’m annoyed and disappointed to find my blog there.
    Good choice of words Ali.

    Once I get over me I have to hold out hope other bloggers that don’t want to be in the Blogdom are listened to.
    Now I wait again, and see if I’m heard this time.:^(

  15. Matt Jones says:

    Personally, I think you are going a bit overboard here. I just stumbled across the BoG thing and thought it was an okay idea. None of your reasons even crossed my mind (and I doubt they would cross the minds of many people). I just thought “hey, simple links to Christian bloggers.” I don’t have to go to their sites if I don’t want to, but if I want to browse it makes it easy to go out and read new things. As you said, much of the content is not stuff I want to read, so I either don’t go to their site or just move on to the next one. As far as making a “list without their permission [being] morally dubious” I would definitely have to disagree. Blogs are public sites, things that you want private, you make private. I do agree that if requested, links should be removed.

    I guess I just don’t understand why you are so up-in-arms over this. Dialogue between blogs is always a good thing.

    Anyway, my two cents.
    Matt

  16. adrian says:

    MAnaged to get to a PC to find out what the concern was over. Ultimately if your RSS feed is published on your website you are asking for it to be included in all kinds of services both christian and not so I am surprised by this level of concern.

    I will remove any blogs that are incorrectly in the blogdom list.

    If anyone can send me a list of blogs I should remove I will do so (if you ask me to remove someone elses blog I reserve the right to not do so without discussing it with them and/or a group of christian bloggers of my choosing)

    Have just been trying to servet the Christian blogosphere here and am sorry for any offense. Did not see these comments till today.